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Damar Rocarion
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Posted - 2011.11.29 06:02:00 -
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Dirk Smacker wrote:I guess if you occupy a system, you have a better chance at gaining occupancy.
Imagine that.
There is still no incentive to plex is there? I mean, one side will likely have people interested to form a fleet and go flip opponents staging system (and possibly do it repeatedly) but there is hardly any incentive for other side to defend. The
choice in most peoples heads will always be "Orbit button or go do FW missions and earn ton of isk at the same time".
Hell, one could create badly trained alts and just put them to speed tank gallente/amarr plexes and flip systems in a day.
We'll have to see how these changes work in practice but I assume consultation from FW players was probably not done. Or then they just took the initial code for FW from SiSi which seemed to follow similiar pattern as i remember we flipped a system there after a days worth of plexing because they constantly respawned in same constellation.
But it's good to get rid of the DT rush anyway.
Also. Any idea of this was in SiSi before this annoucement or can we expect whole eve to crash repeatedly when it's put into practice without proper testing  |
Damar Rocarion
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Posted - 2011.11.29 20:52:00 -
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I have observed new mechanism and here is my neutral observation:
- Flipping systems will be faster now.
- One man and his alt doing defending is now essentially pointless because of the constant respawns.
- If one wants to defend and/or occupy a system, you better live in it.
All in all this is my summary of the thing: I for one wont bother with defending systems that much because it's impossible for one man. Casually yes but if someone wants to take a system, he will do it by sitting in system for 24h straight. In optimal cases, corps will spread out and FW map will become a sort of "Bantustan" with dots on map indicating "Here lives corp x of Y militia". This is not bad thing.
Depending on size of your corp, you can occupy one system and maybe adjancent ones if you have people willing to run down uncontested plexes throughout most of the day (assuming you have opposition). Of course CCP does did not seem to chance the "occupying hostile solar system" problem which means all dt you get lots of plexes there. This is further aggravated by fact you get more every 30 minutes. So I assume that currently systems occupied by caldari can be taken within 24-48h. Of course same can happen to Gallente occupied systems.
However, this is somewhat migitated by the fact that unless you move into said system, occupancy is likely to be short lived due to above reasons. If we do get the "bantustan" option, then I can foresee FW becoming more about small gangs than about big blobs. Maintaining occupancy also requires corp members to constantly run down uncontested plexes. This of course requires drastic change of mindset from most players and it's possible it simply wont happen.
And of course there is always the likely risk of people simply not jumping into possibility of plex fights and focusing on usual. Which is missions and wait for a big fleet to form. Meanwhile couple of guys go about and turn systems vulnerable
So, game on I quess. Lets see if people move to opponents low-sec and plant the flag so to speak. Occupancy is dead, long live the plex fights I quess. On personal level though, I find the "new plexes in systems every 30 minutes" slightly drastic. It would probably be better to be expanded to be constellation wide as it would mean the action would be spread around a bit without plexing becoming about sitting in one system and undocking to scan for plexes every half an hour
Anyone else like to comment about the new mechanism?
P.S: repeating Caldari feat of occupying whole FW area is more or less impossible now. Simply because there will always be a system out there, which has enough plexes to turn it vulnerable in one go. Unless CCP has implemented some sort of maximum limit of plexes per system (I doubt)
Also, Amarr/Matar probably get the short end of the stick here due to their geography being essentially one long-pipe which is million jumps long. Caldari/Gallente have it much better in this regard.
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Damar Rocarion
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Posted - 2011.11.30 05:04:00 -
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Also, can we agree to put moratorium on "system x taken by militia y" because I seriously assume such threads would pop up more frequently than some people change their socks?... |
Damar Rocarion
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Posted - 2011.11.30 05:21:00 -
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Emily Poast wrote:I habeen gone for almost a year and a half, and it seems there is no benefit to taking a system? Is that still the case? Until that happenes, its just not going to be very popular other than for folks that like sanctioned piracy...
No, none whatsoever. Which of course is the most likely outcome of the whole thing. One side cares enough to mobilise bulk of their people, others dont. End result is that both are probably bored because they go look for fights and none are coming (because other sides hardcore dudes wont go to be roflstomped by blob). As said earlier, this would require different kind of mindset for most players.
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Damar Rocarion
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Posted - 2011.12.01 07:08:00 -
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Hirana Yoshida wrote:Theoretically perhaps, but in reality you will still see a big boost from DT shuffle as it can represent several hours worth of plexes and no amount of 23/7 organization can "counter" sheer numbers. The amount of plexers that even exist in the various militia's is fairly low (not counting alts) and with the whole thing still being an exercise of "whatever, I'll do misisons" the numbers will not increase.
I personally just consider Crucible, in regards to FW, be a nerf bat hitting Damar/Val/Sasawong/the unknown Amarr dude squarely in the ballz
Plexing is now team effort requires corps/militias to do it if there is desire to be successful. Which in turn means I don't particularly have to stress about things anymore in regard to plexing. I use the opportunity to chill for a while and see what direction things go. Because ultimately, no matter how occupancy changes, it can be reversed to either direction within 48h period (unlike the weeks/months it required before this)
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